Check out the 4th video "Ball kick-ups by Vova & Olga". Vova does 3 ball mill's mess, then kicks up right into 4 ball mill's - then kicks up into 5 ball mill's. www.galchenko.com/other_jug...videos.htm

This came to me from Lance of the Berkeley Group

to write the group use juggling@lists.berkeley.edu

"Technical juggling is interesting for about, oh, a minute. Unless you're a technical juggler. Which audiences are not. You can be the greatest tech juggler in the world, but if you don't give any of your personality to the people watching (not including WJF judges) then there's no point being in front of an audience."

I dunno here.. we had a blast joking and interacting with everyone (yes, Vova too) at last year's WJF - just not during the filmed competitions where we all (attempted) to remain fairly serious and professional tv-style audience and whatnot.. I speak mostly of the exhibitions which were essentially folks hanging out watching a person go thru their practice routine and such.. many jokes and laughs were had by all, and the performers (and friends) enjoyed calling out other tricks for them to do: "ok, now do the same but with the 4's as alberts", "what about a 5up 360 immediately into backcrosses?", "sure, you can do a 5 up 720, but what about a 1080?", "do it with a head bounce!", and so on. Of course, some folks did it more Q&A style, others did hip shimmies to the song "walk like an egyptian" while doing 5 club back crosses... Others showed the new tricks they were working up to performance level, and others encouraged/advised accordingly..

meh, I'm comfy with the fact that not everyone would agree with anyone else's opinion, and it's become painfully clear that alot of folks are trying to directly compare "performers that juggle" to "jugglers that perform"...which, they will simply never see eye to eye on who is "better".

am I a technical juggler? well, I have been known to do that sort of thing.
am I a performer(or dare say: clownish type)? sorta - folks always laugh at my patter during a show.
am I a dancer that juggles [like Vladik and such]? um..ok, so I can't dance, but I don't stand perfectly still either, especially if there is some live african rhythm music being played. I gotta say, unlike Jason, I think it looks bad if someone's standing still *all* the time. Sure, there's turns, rotations, 180/360/etc's, but that's just too dry for anything more than a few minutes of show-off competition [which is exactly where that behaviour belongs, and it shouldn't be confused with a performance by any means]. OK, so when I was young I got to juggle with folks like the Mud Bay Jugglers, Flying Karamazovs, and Rhys Thomas, so I have a bit of a twisted slant on what's fun juggling [for me to do...if folks wanna watch me have fun, that's fine too]. :)

...now you got me rambling.. :) night!