Tribe.net. Local Connections $item.owner.firstName http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#676b0566-4799-4552-ba62-4c3c5066fec6 2009-04-18T11:28:00Z 2007-09-11T19:39:55Z

In my experience, 7 ball jugglers are rare, and a product of years of dedicated practice and natural talent. I myself have hit a ceiling at 6 (meaning 5 is solid, three in one hand is passable, 6 doesn't exist), but I plan to make a solid 7 by age 50 or so. Anytime you want to come over and practice... :)

$item.owner.firstName 2007-09-11T19:39:55Z Mischiefmaker http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#52274feb-ee01-4bd6-97d8-e5dbd9654f86 2009-04-18T08:17:02Z 2009-04-18T08:17:02Z

OMG this is so true! When I started riding unicycle I couldn't get the idle down, but with more frequency vs intensity. I had it down in less than 3 weeks. Same thing with me and juggling. 10-15 minutes a day and I was actually able to juggle for the first time in my life Great advice!

Mischiefmaker 2009-04-18T08:17:02Z Anthony http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#a7fc5b9b-367a-4c74-bdd9-deffd8b73b86 2009-04-14T16:11:40Z 2009-04-14T16:11:40Z

I have juggled sporadically for about 15 years. Went on a big numbers mission in the first few years and was working pretty hard on seven and a bit of 8 - My progress was slow- got up to around 40 catches of 7 on a "lucky-ish" run. I was dropping way too much when I was practicing! I have started up again recently with much more success and after about 2 months of juggling for 30 mins a few times a week I now feel clear that I am not "trying" to learn to juggle 7, I am on the bus (and no longer feel like I am "herding cats"). I am focusing on a few basic aspects: spend double the time working on my weak side (especially my weaker side 4 ball shower- I used to do a 6-shower on my strong side, which may have added to an imbalance here). * I started with just one ball, which I now do as my first warm up. When I focused on this, I became aware in how it felt different throwing from my right, compared with my left felt. i now warm up with this until both sides feel as similar as possible- I tend to be noticing this improving a little with each session I do (I do throws at height 7 with the one ball and then throw in a series of high throws, for kicks (think it helps improve release timing as well). I now do a lot of 4 ball showers on both sides, high 5 cascades and continuous flashes to height 7. Seems like as the flashes start getting comfortable and relaxed ( I am on the fringe of this), you can begin to get a feeling with 7 that you are flashing one set of 5 into the next and almost still feels like you are still doing the 5 flashes. This seems to feel a bit more relaxed, if you are used to the comfort of that feeling of continuous flashes from practicing them with 5- otherwise it can be a bit overwhelming when 7 just starts coming together - maybe its just my own excitement, because I worked too long and hard on it whilst practicing with less effective training technique (trying to continuously juggle 7 balls, before I could effectively control 1 at that height and timing in an efficient and relaxed manner. The more I practice like this, the more I am drawn to spend time on the simpler broken down aspects that fit into and are useful learning tools for the 7 cascade. In terms of the difficulty of juggling compared with other top level athletes, I think we are all wired in a pretty similar manner, and the state of mind with which we take on challenges as well as our ability to find effective ways of taping into these capabilities play a far greater part than good genetic structure. Only ever seen about 3 different people juggling 7 in South Africa..

Anthony 2009-04-14T16:11:40Z fsd http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#460eec78-472f-46ca-936a-ad9ef26832fe 2007-09-02T18:07:56Z 2007-09-02T18:07:56Z

Here are most people's reactions to juggling- 3 ball- neat. 4 ball- whoa! you're really coordinated! 5 ball- holy sh*t!! you're a ninja! 6 ball- holy sh*t! how many is that? 7 ball- holy sh*t! how many is that? my experience is that beyond 5, people just see a stream of balls and have no idea how many it is. They're very impressed. If you can juggle five, then to the average person, you and anthony gatto are one in the same. For actual jugglers or juggling enthusiasts- 3 ball- snooze.. 4 ball- pretty good 5 ball- good juggler 6 ball- great juggler 7 ball- fantastic 8 ball and above- It's time to compete in the WJF As for the person that said he's juggled for 15 years and can't get the five ball... that's insane! I know it's an old thread, but if that guy reads this- You must be getting stuck in the same old rut again and again- stop doing 4, 6 or any EVEN number until you've learned five.

fsd 2007-09-02T18:07:56Z Mr.Seal http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#71943df1-e57b-4431-b332-9ab843191ddc 2007-03-24T23:06:08Z 2007-03-24T23:06:08Z

ive been doing all kinds of juggling for about 3 years. the first year or two i didnt focus on numbers juggling at all i didnt even try it but after i learned five which didnt take that long i quickly tried to learn 7 which was fruitless when you try with lacross and tennis balls just to warn you. the problems i had were fitting allthe balls in my hands and catching them without dropping, the pattern wasnt as difficult

Mr.Seal 2007-03-24T23:06:08Z Pyro on Fire http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#ac751f3e-9266-4adb-b37e-6491be769a1a 2007-02-03T13:11:03Z 2007-02-03T13:11:03Z

Vova and Olga Galchenko are trained athletes the best in the field! they both train in juggling as weel as in other physical sports and endurance training. BTW. Vova is back from Russia!!!!!!!!

Pyro on Fire 2007-02-03T13:11:03Z Crizzly http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#2769f176-f7ef-428b-8af0-6aec9e897ecf 2007-01-29T21:01:37Z 2007-01-29T21:01:37Z

Trying to address your questions specifically: "how common" -- Well, I'd say that those with a stable 7 ball cascade would be the 1/1000 range, but that includes *all* jugglers, including those that don't except to entertain their nephews so they don't cry. To put it another way, you'll very rarely see anyone do 7 solo on the street except in key towns where the standards are very high, and even then, only as a finale. Compare this to the proportionally small professional tour/performance/competition circuit, where 7 and 9 are not uncommon. A good measure of this is can be the reactions one gets in airports (especially flying internationally, as this minimizes locale bias): bust out a solid duration run of 5 balls [5-10 min each attempt] and compare that to your reaction when you do 3 or even 4. Then fire out tricks with 5, or some simple 6 ball stuff and watch folks stop in their tracks for a bit to watch. Try just flashing 7, and folks will get comfortable to watch for a while. "how impressive (for jugglers)" -- 24 years ago when I taught myself to juggle, one almost never saw anyone attempting 5 [in performances, except rarely on tv]. Nowadays with the web and increased 'bandwidth', one can see vids of jugglers from almost anywhere on the planet, and thus have a better sampling, let alone encouragement to try "more". Today, it seems folks tend to class a 3 object juggler as 'good' {note: yes, there are folks who are astounding with their 3 object work, and I'm not going down the holy-war path here, just using the basic pattern and a few tricks as the guidline here}, a 4 object juggler as 'wow, that's pretty good', a 5 ball juggler as 'dang, that's really good', and 6 or 7 gets into the 'no way!' category. Of course, *jugglers* are more jaded to this sort of thing, and your average 'good' juggler has a reasonably stable 5 ball pattern now with dreams of getting a 7 ball qual run anytime they want. This makes a 7 ball cascade in the 'hey, that's really nice' category. Admittedly, there is the 'dedicated juggler' who actually juggles more than once a week and may even have a practice plan rather than merely social juggling, and they would concider 7 ball cascade a nice warmup. For myself, I taught myself 5 balls during flight layovers when work sent me around the world to train the other sites. A few months after that, I started some more complicated tricks [...5555855525555... , ...555a5555055555... , and so on]. After a year of that, I started working on my 7 ball. Given I only go juggle twice a week, and much of that time is spent socializing, and/or passing clubs, and/or developing new tricks with the other instructor, and/or doing minutae planning for the juggling convention we are throwing{*}, I only get to work on 7 balls for about 10-15min a month. That said, I can typically get 12-24 catches. Hope that address your origional questions. :) --Crizzly * - Come! join us if you're in the region (Oregon, USA)! It's FREE!! http://jugglingconvention.blogspot.com/

Crizzly 2007-01-29T21:01:37Z Alex Magic http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#940e9a25-82e7-4b7f-a132-ac1ee899e31c 2007-01-23T18:05:17Z 2007-01-23T18:05:17Z

Hi.I juggling 2 years.A can do 9 a flash. 7 easy.Try dont look at the balls. Try keep yours hands klose to your body, and try to consentrate on yours hands. Try 5 balls regular caskade 5-10 minets without droping.If yours hands get tierd yours tehnik wrong.U shoud relax hands I THINK HTHIS MAIN SEKRET. I had same problem before.Many ours practise & i cant get it. The best time to juggling- morning time 6-7am 30-40 minets.Thats it!!! Good luck. :o)

Alex Magic 2007-01-23T18:05:17Z ChefGeoff http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#bdd7cd9d-556e-47f0-9a1a-493a5a948a1b 2007-01-22T21:36:30Z 2007-01-22T21:36:30Z

I can Juggle almost 7 balls i can just flash 7 with 2 extra throws but i believe that i should work on my height and ball placement good luck

ChefGeoff 2007-01-22T21:36:30Z Elbonko http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#b1af5c98-2455-4f11-bbec-1c2cd3589a6e 2007-01-17T16:46:01Z 2007-01-17T16:46:01Z

no disrespect taken. i see what you're sayin--with a wider base of juggling in the world you are bound to have more really good (and more really bad) jugglers. what i'm sayin is that i think that is already happening, to some extent. due to internet accessibility, the IJA, the WJF, the beautiful logic of site-swaps, the ease of producing videos, and perhaps a few other factors, juggling (especially technical juggling) has been spreading rather rampantly over the past few years. this very topic post is evidence of that. there was a day when a steady run of 7 balls earned you "wow" status. now it just means you are a pretty good juggler. good topic, though. thanks for bringing it up. -Aaron Bonk

Elbonko 2007-01-17T16:46:01Z $item.owner.firstName http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#46ef9aeb-22f9-454d-9cf2-129821d12fcb 2007-01-17T06:46:05Z 2007-01-17T06:46:05Z

I suppose what I said didn't come out as smoothly as intended. No disrespect was meant by that comment. I didn't mean to imply that there weren't already good atheletes and quick minded folks juggling, just saying that I don't think we've seen the best, obviously. A lot of jugglers train and condition themselves to have the endurance and hand-eye coordination that they possess. I'm just saying that if juggling became more common, you'd see more people who naturally start with better hand-eye coordination and muscle endurance involved, and thus they'd be able to progress to levels that rival the Gattos and whatnot, if not exceed past them. Do you know what I am trying to say? Not that any of this really matters. I was just bored and posted it. So, as I said earlier. I didn't mean to offend or disrespect anyone. Just an observation!

$item.owner.firstName 2007-01-17T06:46:05Z Zig http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#6b610a34-7905-4be8-8a31-b2951ba22e41 2007-01-17T00:04:29Z 2007-01-17T00:04:29Z

Slightly after I first met you cody I began to learn five ball juggling. ABout three years ago or so. I am just about now getting it to the point that I almost like it. Probably about half hour of practice every day that I had patience for it. Maybe 7 a month. AS for 7 ball juggling. I would string together some foul launguage here, but basically my feeling is that audiances that aren't jugglers aren't going to appriciate it. So unless your one of the lucky circus children begenning at age 2, well best of luck.

Zig 2007-01-17T00:04:29Z Elbonko http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#5c2eb0a7-6c1a-4784-8b26-20f4e712c223 2007-01-16T07:22:39Z 2007-01-16T07:22:39Z

quoting Not Quite Free: "I know there are far better athletes out there than the top jugglers today, meaning a better ability to juggle a higher number of balls (handspeed, endurance, etc). and surely there are extremely quick minded people out there with unimaginable hand-eye coordination and whatnot. If someone were to combine both qualities, we'd be bound to see amazing feats in juggling." what? i would like some examples of who you think these "far better athletes" are. most jugglers i know ARE extremely quick minded people. frankly, i think that many quick minded people with unimaginable hand-eye coordination are pretty naturally drawn to juggling. and we already DO see amazing feats in juggling. i recommend taking some time off from your works and sleeps schedule and getting yourself to a juggling convention or festival. there you will meet some wonderful, quick, coordinated people who do amazing things. the top jugglers today train like athletes, if not harder. oh, and on the big topic. i've got 44 catches with 7 balls and though i don't fancy myself a "top juggler," it makes me feel pretty damn good.

Elbonko 2007-01-16T07:22:39Z Pyro on Fire http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#9cf47d1a-7255-48a8-b287-8c8033674355 2007-01-12T05:24:19Z 2007-01-12T05:24:19Z

do 10 - 15 mins a day dont do to much and frustrate yourelf but you need to do it everyday

Pyro on Fire 2007-01-12T05:24:19Z Cody http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#e75f396b-e0f1-44f8-94f8-d6b2e419a6df 2007-01-11T19:27:44Z 2007-01-11T19:27:44Z

Practice is definately my problem. I have been able to pick up just about everything else with moderate practice. But with 5 ball I don't see much progress when I cram in a few days of practice and I get frustraited. I picked up a poi move, the 5 beet behind the back reverse weave on one day just by thinking about it. I know how to do the 5 ball cascade, it's just the execution. :)

Cody 2007-01-11T19:27:44Z $item.owner.firstName http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#a80cac70-67ed-4c45-8991-9556b8754974 2007-01-11T06:39:44Z 2007-01-11T06:39:44Z

Yeah. I'd imagine if juggling became annoyingly popular, many of the current greats would easily be rivaled if not overthrown. I know there are far better athletes out there than the top jugglers today, meaning a better ability to juggle a higher number of balls (handspeed, endurance, etc). and surely there are extremely quick minded people out there with unimaginable hand-eye coordination and whatnot. If someone were to combine both qualities, we'd be bound to see amazing feats in juggling.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-01-11T06:39:44Z Pyro on Fire http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#d9a9f58f-b3f1-49e4-9334-8e9315232648 2007-01-10T22:00:43Z 2007-01-10T22:00:43Z

how often and for what duration are you practicing 5. 5 should be easily attainable by all with proper practice.

Pyro on Fire 2007-01-10T22:00:43Z sirK http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#be07df7a-32d7-4388-a32d-477099abd734 2007-01-10T18:50:53Z 2007-01-10T18:50:53Z

I recently moved into a house that has a juggling studio built in the back yard that has a 16 foot high ceiling. The previous owner, Tom Question (Yahner), built and learnt 7 balls in that very same studio. I am very new to juggling but everytime I step into that room I have this good feeling of what this studio once witnessed. Perhaps it will once again witness levels of accomplishments. So for me its not too uncommon to learn 7 or more balls. Peace, K

sirK 2007-01-10T18:50:53Z Cody http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#e925ce99-1532-4590-a574-3b88b89878d4 2007-01-10T18:40:16Z 2007-01-10T18:40:16Z

I've been juggling for 15 years and that stupid five ball cascade is my bane. I just can't get it. So for me 7 balls is still really cool .:)

Cody 2007-01-10T18:40:16Z Pyro on Fire http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#b1a62adb-9523-49d1-8468-6184d94db277 2007-01-10T05:39:53Z 2007-01-10T05:39:53Z

I feel with proper dedication and practice 7 balls is obtainable by most. I have had the enjoyment of growing up in the middle of the juggling culture and have had everyone from Anthony gatto to Olga and Vova Galchenko around to watch. I feel that it is the devotion and daily training that most are not doing that makes them excel.

Pyro on Fire 2007-01-10T05:39:53Z $item.owner.firstName http://jugglenet.tribe.net/thread/78e082a7-0e69-4854-b309-237de751554d#b0041de1-d885-4f33-a266-bb75eb8e9569 2007-01-10T04:43:35Z 2007-01-10T04:43:35Z

I know there is no way to completely and accurately determine this, but how common do you suppose it is for dedicated jugglers to be able to juggle 7 balls? does 7 balls fall into the "oh shit! that's pretty good" category for you? or is it really not a big deal to dedicated jugglers?

$item.owner.firstName 2007-01-10T04:43:35Z